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主题: [3R]X言的麻痹对免疫麻痹的生物有效吗?
作者: joasy2012-08-14, 周二 22:22:55
用圣言对付亡灵或者龙,CL足够,能麻痹掉吗?
主题: Re: [3R]X言的麻痹对免疫麻痹的生物有效吗?
作者: 阿诺2012-08-14, 周二 22:31:03
免疫就是免疫,X言并不改变麻痹这个效果的本质
套了自由行动同理不吃
主题: Re: [3R]X言的麻痹对免疫麻痹的生物有效吗?
作者: dnlas2012-08-15, 周三 15:41:28
免疫就是免疫,X言并不改变麻痹这个效果的本质
套了自由行动同理不吃

我記得免疫心靈效果的不死生物 被牧師驅散也會陷入慌恐狀態?
主题: Re: [3R]X言的麻痹对免疫麻痹的生物有效吗?
作者: 逆神猪2012-08-15, 周三 15:59:23
这表示恐慌状态不一定是影响心灵的效果导致的?
主题: Re: [3R]X言的麻痹对免疫麻痹的生物有效吗?
作者: OckhamTheRazor2012-08-15, 周三 18:37:56
Cower不是fear的一个程度,和mind effecting没关系
主题: Re: [3R]X言的麻痹对免疫麻痹的生物有效吗?
作者: dnlas2012-08-15, 周三 18:50:04
Cower不是fear的一个程度,和mind effecting没关系

Cowering
The character is frozen in fear and can take no actions. A cowering character takes a –2 penalty to Armor Class and loses his Dexterity bonus (if any).
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Turn Undead

Benefit: You can, as a standard action, use one of your uses of channel positive energy to cause all undead within 30 feet of you to flee, as if panicked. Undead receive a Will save to negate the effect. The DC for this Will save is equal to 10 + 1/2 your cleric level + your Charisma modifier. Undead that fail their save flee for 1 minute

Panicked is a more extreme state of fear than shaken or frightened.


這是PF的,感覺還是和fear有關係。
主题: Re: [3R]X言的麻痹对免疫麻痹的生物有效吗?
作者: OckhamTheRazor2012-08-15, 周三 18:57:32
Effect and Duration of Turning
Turned undead flee from you by the best and fastest means available to them. They flee for 10 rounds (1 minute). If they cannot flee, they cower (giving any attack rolls against them a +2 bonus). If you approach within 10 feet of them, however, they overcome being turned and act normally. (You can stand within 10 feet without breaking the turning effect—you just can’t approach them.) You can attack them with ranged attacks (from at least 10 feet away), and others can attack them in any fashion, without breaking the turning effect.

Cowering
The character is frozen in fear and can take no actions. A cowering character takes a -2 penalty to Armor Class and loses her Dexterity bonus (if any).

Fear
Spells, magic items, and certain monsters can affect characters with fear. If a fear effect allows a saving throw, it is a Will save (DC 10 + ½ fearsome creature’s racial HD + creature’s Cha modifier; the exact DC is given in the creature’s descriptive text). All fear attacks are mind-affecting fear effects. A failed roll usually means that the character is shaken, frightened, or panicked.

Fear effects are cumulative. A shaken character who is made shaken again becomes frightened, and a shaken character who is made frightened becomes panicked instead. A frightened character who is made shaken or frightened becomes panicked instead.

楼主问3R你说PF...
主题: Re: [3R]X言的麻痹对免疫麻痹的生物有效吗?
作者: dnlas2012-08-15, 周三 19:05:01
楼主问3R你说PF...
PF也有相同的問題阿。 除非3R的敘述不一樣,有的話煩請貼出來。
主题: Re: [3R]X言的麻痹对免疫麻痹的生物有效吗?
作者: OckhamTheRazor2012-08-15, 周三 19:10:30
我已经贴出来了啊...
主题: Re: [3R]X言的麻痹对免疫麻痹的生物有效吗?
作者: 阿诺2012-08-15, 周三 21:24:38
2楼的同学没有区分出规则关键字和一般词汇

frozen in fear 是一般词汇的描述

fear是一个规则关键字

二者并不互通

这就好比【防死结界到底能防什么效果】的争论一样,不是说一般词汇里带上个death就会被防的
主题: Re: [3R]X言的麻痹对免疫麻痹的生物有效吗?
作者: 逆神猪2012-08-15, 周三 23:22:25
……
纯路过,默默的看了看LS,又看了看2楼……
主题: Re: [3R]X言的麻痹对免疫麻痹的生物有效吗?
作者: 小丁2012-08-16, 周四 00:04:34
2楼不也是阿诺么?
主题: Re: [3R]X言的麻痹对免疫麻痹的生物有效吗?
作者: BobbyLiu2012-08-16, 周四 04:43:11
2楼指的是回帖#2还是回帖#1。。
主题: Re: [3R]X言的麻痹对免疫麻痹的生物有效吗?
作者: OckhamTheRazor2012-08-16, 周四 04:46:19
他也没错,PF的turn是fear效果...当然和楼主的问题没关系就是了
主题: Re: [3R]X言的麻痹对免疫麻痹的生物有效吗?
作者: joasy2012-08-16, 周四 08:10:47
嗯,我之前一度钻了牛角尖,被圣言里的“任何生物”给迷惑了,觉得法术说明相对于种族特性说明应该是“特别说明”的,但是后来想到若是如此,那所有免疫都没意义了。
于是谢谢各位
主题: Re: [3R]X言的麻痹对免疫麻痹的生物有效吗?
作者: 阿诺2012-08-17, 周五 19:05:21
2楼不也是阿诺么?

说发帖人应该说【楼主】吧

第一个回帖的不是一楼或者沙发么

嘛嘛 不要在意细节……