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Re: 【3R核心】关于挡拨飞箭和抓取飞箭。奥法骑士的问题
« 回帖 #10 于: 2011-09-10, 周六 19:22:02 »
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Spells per Day: From 2nd level on, when a new eldritch knight level is gained, the character gains new spells per day as if she had also gained a level in whatever arcane spellcasting class she belonged to before she added the prestige class. She does not, however, gain any other benefit a character of that class would have gained. This essentially means that she adds the level of eldritch knight to the level of whatever other arcane spellcasting class the character has, then determines spells per day and caster level accordingly.
If a character had more than one arcane spellcasting class before she became an eldritch knight, she must decide to which class she adds each level of eldritch knight for the purpose of determining spells per day.

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Spells per Day/Spells Known: When a new archmage level is gained, the character gains new spells per day (and spells known, if applicable) as if he had also gained a level in whatever arcane spellcasting class in which he could cast 7th-level spells before he added the prestige class level. He does not, however, gain any other benefit a character of that class would have gained. If a character had more than one arcane spellcasting class in which he could cast 7th-level spells before he became an archmage, he must decide to which class he adds each level of archmage for the purpose of determining spells per day.


的确没有提到。

顺带,诡术师、秘术师和和咒法召唤师也没有(and spells known, if applicable)这种字样。虽然可能没有什么意义,不过据检查,CAd和CA所有的适用于奥术职业的进阶都会增加spells known。


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然后,关于拨挡飞箭。


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DEFLECT ARROWS [GENERAL]
Prerequisites: Dex 13, Improved Unarmed Strike.
Benefit: You must have at least one hand free (holding nothing) to use this feat. Once per round when you would normally be hit with a ranged weapon, you may deflect it so that you take no damage from it. You must be aware of the attack and not flatfooted.
Attempting to deflect a ranged weapon doesn’t count as an action. Unusually massive ranged weapons and ranged attacks generated by spell effects can’t be deflected.
Special: A monk may select Deflect Arrows as a bonus feat at 2nd level, even if she does not meet the prerequisites.
A fighter may select Deflect Arrows as one of his fighter bonus feats.


SNATCH ARROWS [GENERAL]
Prerequisites: Dex 15, Deflect Arrows, Improved Unarmed Strike.
Benefit: When using the Deflect Arrows feat you may catch the weapon instead of just deflecting it. Thrown weapons can immediately be thrown back at the original attacker (even though it isn’t your turn) or kept for later use.
You must have at least one hand free (holding nothing) to use this feat.
Special: A fighter may select Snatch Arrows as one of his fighter bonus feats.

也就是说,除非射出灌法箭的施法者将那支箭射向你,进行一次普通的远程攻击判定,否则你是不能使用拨挡飞箭和抓取飞箭专长的。
(除非你装备了拥有箭矢吸引能力的装备,使得射向邻近方格的箭矢自动指定你为攻击目标。)




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Imbue Arrow (Sp): At 2nd level, an arcane archer gains the ability to place an area spell upon an arrow. When the arrow is fired, the spell’s area is centered on where the arrow lands, even if the spell could normally be centered only on the caster. This ability allows the archer to use the bow’s range rather than the spell’s range. It takes a standard action to cast the spell and fire the arrow. The arrow must be fired in the round the spell is cast, or the spell is wasted.

最后,灌法箭的法术发源点是在“箭矢着地之处”。关于这点,可以解释为在抓到箭矢的瞬间法术就启动了。当然如果你们更纠结一下箭头和箭杆的区别的话,也可以认为把箭矢抛回去就能使法术在别的地方触发。
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Re: 【3R核心】关于挡拨飞箭和抓取飞箭。奥法骑士的问题
« 回帖 #11 于: 2011-09-10, 周六 20:53:52 »
说起来,如果箭上的附魔是由武器赋予(用的+1弓跟普通箭)的话,那么把箭扔回去也只是普通的箭而不算魔法武器了吧?

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Re: 【3R核心】关于挡拨飞箭和抓取飞箭。奥法骑士的问题
« 回帖 #12 于: 2011-09-10, 周六 23:06:15 »
我们最后的观点是:

魔射手的附魔箭被接住抛投的时候,没了效果。
但是被魔化武器法术作用的箭,被接住抛投,还是有效果(类似魔化了抛投武器)
档拨飞箭可以作用在射向自己触及可及的地区的箭。(这里又出现了一个问题,就是可以挡拨经过自己区域的箭吗?)
灌法箭可以在被接到的时候发动魔法,因为魔射手已经将魔法的发动时间在射出去的时候决定了。或者是它可以在任何魔射手想发动的时候发动。奥法骑士那个,施法者等级+1仅仅增加法术位。
红字部分请认真阅读专长描述,两个专长只能作用于射向专长拥有者的飞箭才对。
蓝字部分没有任何相关规则显示如此,因此私以为是你的脑补或者HR了。
23:32:14 <艾格隆|牧师> (要不……
23:32:22 <艾格隆|牧师> (你也大笑三声,说一句原来如此
23:32:34 <艾格隆|牧师> (看看有没有什么灵感……
23:32:45 <都市游侠丨法夫尼尔> .r d20+2 哈,哈,哈,原来如此
23:32:46 <Oicebot>  都市游侠丨法夫尼尔进行哈,哈,哈,原来如此检定: 1d20+2=3+2=5
23:32:50 <都市游侠丨法夫尼尔> (2333333
23:33:00 <都市游侠丨法夫尼尔> (做不到的事情就是做不到23333
23:33:01 <艾格隆|牧师> (错了,应该这样
23:33:15 <艾格隆|牧师> .r 1d20+2 哈!哈!哈!原来如此!!!
23:33:17 <Oicebot>  艾格隆|牧师进行哈!哈!哈!原来如此!!!检定: 1d20+2=19+2=21
23:33:34 <都市游侠丨法夫尼尔> (原来是气势的问题吗!

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Re: 【3R核心】关于挡拨飞箭和抓取飞箭。奥法骑士的问题
« 回帖 #13 于: 2011-09-10, 周六 23:44:22 »
我认为判只有spell per day不加术士法术比较扯...spell per day和spell known的区别应该被认为是规则的笔误...
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Re: 【3R核心】关于挡拨飞箭和抓取飞箭。奥法骑士的问题
« 回帖 #14 于: 2011-09-11, 周日 09:44:08 »
胖胖这么一说我也产生怀疑了,因为mystic theurge的相关内容是:

Spells per Day: When a new mystic theurge level is gained, the character gains new spells per day as if blahblah....

This essentially means that he adds the level of mystic theurge to blahblah then determines spells per day and caster level accordingly.

完全没提新的可知法术耶……

而中文翻译却是

秘术师等级加上所具备的其它施法职业等级,决定其每日法术数量、可知法术与施法者等级。

也就是说著名的神奥双修滥强其实连3环都拿不到么……这就太颠覆了



于是放狗去搜,在废柴兄弟会(OOTS)漫画的论坛上看到了相似疑问

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203031

以及龙堡07年关于wiz进阶后进阶职业升级能否获得2个免费法术的问题

http://www.cndkc.net/bbs/thread-27555-2-1.html

以上讨论供大家参考
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Re: 【3R核心】关于挡拨飞箭和抓取飞箭。奥法骑士的问题
« 回帖 #15 于: 2011-09-11, 周日 09:53:40 »
只有PHB才是那么写的...

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Re: 【3R核心】关于挡拨飞箭和抓取飞箭。奥法骑士的问题
« 回帖 #16 于: 2011-09-11, 周日 10:03:22 »
其实我们不是说对规则纠结,而是想知道有没有相关的说明,没有说明我们就是DM和PC约定一下HR就是了。
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Re: 【3R核心】关于挡拨飞箭和抓取飞箭。奥法骑士的问题
« 回帖 #17 于: 2011-09-11, 周日 13:49:00 »
仔细注意一下的话,某认为重点应该在Spells per Day/Spells Known: 这里。顺带,扩展里面有可能是笔误,但是核心进阶就不太可能了,因为核心进阶中同时包含了增长法术位/已知法术(大法师,Loremaster)、增长法术位(奥法骑士、Arcane Trickster、咒法召唤师)、增加奖励法术位(Dragon desciple)、增加施法等级不增加法术位(大祭司)和自带独立施法列表(Assassin、Black Guard)这么多种增长方式。如果认为在这些进阶中会搞混Spells per Day/Spells Known: Spells per Day的话不是很奇怪吗……
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