月经轮Pal

[远古之风]

没必要和leaf这种人讨论宗教，因为他就是喜欢羞辱别人的信仰（或者其他什么好的东西，比如学识和爱好）来获得乐趣，他才不在乎真相是啥。

[Sigel]

不要拿某个版本的Pal说明代表整个Dnd的Pal

现在是去十字教和寻源的年代呢

4E Paladin is less of a problem, and at the same time less unique/interesting. When I see there is a discussion about how Paladin should behave, there is a better chance we are not talking its simplified version, but its more complex, more intriguing version. In that, we should seek answer in Theology, not History.

We read too much History, too little Theology.

正好相反，阅读十字系乃至圣典三教不会提供给你真正神学（所谓对十字教的正确认识），而对十字教之前的古代宗教的起源发展，那些才是真货，毕竟十字教乃至圣典三教不过是抄袭（也可以说是继承）了各种旧教，他们并没有真正的起源与发展过

That is not true at all. Seriously, your knowledge mainly comes from reading a few booklets, that may give you something to show off, but it does not give you any true understanding.

Knowledge comes from questioning, not just reading and then be content.

说起来圣经也不过是二手山寨文学的集合体而已

Interestingly, when I study in church, its clergies do admit the Bible is somewhat you said. It is a myst, not a fact. We would not to blindly say God create the universe in 7 days (Hey, what is a Day, what makes the rotation of an insignificant planet in the Galaxy so important?), it has errors and contradictions. People who wrote the Bible wrote it with their limited understanding, you would not expect someone from the time of Moses to use terms of Quantum Mechanics, they would have to use mystical terms.

[Leaf]

不要拿某个版本的Pal说明代表整个Dnd的Pal

现在是去十字教和寻源的年代呢

4E Paladin is less of a problem, and at the same time less unique/interesting. When I see there is a discussion about how Paladin should behave, there is a better chance we are not talking its simplified version, but its more complex, more intriguing version. In that, we should seek answer in Theology, not History.

We read too much History, too little Theology.

正好相反，阅读十字系乃至圣典三教不会提供给你真正神学（所谓对十字教的正确认识），而对十字教之前的古代宗教的起源发展，那些才是真货，毕竟十字教乃至圣典三教不过是抄袭（也可以说是继承）了各种旧教，他们并没有真正的起源与发展过

That is not true at all. Seriously, your knowledge mainly comes from reading a few booklets, that may give you something to show off, but it does not give you any true understanding.

Knowledge comes from questioning, not just reading and then be content.

说起来圣经也不过是二手山寨文学的集合体而已

Interestingly, when I study in church, its clergies do admit the Bible is somewhat you said. It is a myst, not a fact. We would not to blindly say God create the universe in 7 days (Hey, what is a Day, what makes the rotation of an insignificant planet in the Galaxy so important?), it has errors and contradictions. People who wrote the Bible wrote it with their limited understanding, you would not expect someone from the time of Moses to use terms of Quantum Mechanics, they would have to use mystical terms.

认为圣经不是字面上的意思，某些教派会认为你是异端的

[Leaf]

没必要和leaf这种人讨论宗教，因为他就是喜欢羞辱别人的信仰（或者其他什么好的东西，比如学识和爱好）来获得乐趣，他才不在乎真相是啥。

不过是有一些人知道真相后脑羞而已，例如根据挖坑的成果巴力本来不过是巴比伦神灵的头衔，圣诞节不过是褫夺某些太阳神的节日（冬至，北半球日照从此日起开始变长）之类。

真相可能会让人不悦，不过把真相如何扭曲变成各种宗教，那才是有用的（对跑团而言）

[远古之风]

没必要和leaf这种人讨论宗教，因为他就是喜欢羞辱别人的信仰（或者其他什么好的东西，比如学识和爱好）来获得乐趣，他才不在乎真相是啥。

不过是有一些人知道真相后脑羞而已，例如根据挖坑的成果巴力本来不过是巴比伦神灵的头衔，圣诞节不过是褫夺某些太阳神的节日（冬至，北半球日照从此日起开始变长）之类

真相可能会让人不悦，不过把真相如何扭曲变成各种宗教，那才是有用的（对跑团而言）

以揭露真相为目的和以让人不悦为目的是截然不同的两种人，而我知道你是那种。

[Sigel]

不要拿某个版本的Pal说明代表整个Dnd的Pal

现在是去十字教和寻源的年代呢

4E Paladin is less of a problem, and at the same time less unique/interesting. When I see there is a discussion about how Paladin should behave, there is a better chance we are not talking its simplified version, but its more complex, more intriguing version. In that, we should seek answer in Theology, not History.

We read too much History, too little Theology.

正好相反，阅读十字系乃至圣典三教不会提供给你真正神学（所谓对十字教的正确认识），而对十字教之前的古代宗教的起源发展，那些才是真货，毕竟十字教乃至圣典三教不过是抄袭（也可以说是继承）了各种旧教，他们并没有真正的起源与发展过

That is not true at all. Seriously, your knowledge mainly comes from reading a few booklets, that may give you something to show off, but it does not give you any true understanding.

Knowledge comes from questioning, not just reading and then be content.

说起来圣经也不过是二手山寨文学的集合体而已

Interestingly, when I study in church, its clergies do admit the Bible is somewhat you said. It is a myst, not a fact. We would not to blindly say God create the universe in 7 days (Hey, what is a Day, what makes the rotation of an insignificant planet in the Galaxy so important?), it has errors and contradictions. People who wrote the Bible wrote it with their limited understanding, you would not expect someone from the time of Moses to use terms of Quantum Mechanics, they would have to use mystical terms.

认为圣经不是字面上的意思，某些教派会认为你是异端的

I have said again and again I have no interest discussing religious difference with you. So let's put it this way, to understand something doesn't mean you must agree with ot. It is like I do not agree with your attitude to a lot of things, but I can understand where that attitude come from, and it is especially important to people who want to roleplay, to think and see in different angles. In a D&D setting, Paladin is tied to Theology (which is really the Monotheism Christianity), so I suggest people read more about Theology to better roleplay it.

Read Histories do help, but it doesn't solve the problem we are discussing.

[Leaf]

不要拿某个版本的Pal说明代表整个Dnd的Pal

现在是去十字教和寻源的年代呢

4E Paladin is less of a problem, and at the same time less unique/interesting. When I see there is a discussion about how Paladin should behave, there is a better chance we are not talking its simplified version, but its more complex, more intriguing version. In that, we should seek answer in Theology, not History.

We read too much History, too little Theology.

正好相反，阅读十字系乃至圣典三教不会提供给你真正神学（所谓对十字教的正确认识），而对十字教之前的古代宗教的起源发展，那些才是真货，毕竟十字教乃至圣典三教不过是抄袭（也可以说是继承）了各种旧教，他们并没有真正的起源与发展过

That is not true at all. Seriously, your knowledge mainly comes from reading a few booklets, that may give you something to show off, but it does not give you any true understanding.

Knowledge comes from questioning, not just reading and then be content.

说起来圣经也不过是二手山寨文学的集合体而已

Interestingly, when I study in church, its clergies do admit the Bible is somewhat you said. It is a myst, not a fact. We would not to blindly say God create the universe in 7 days (Hey, what is a Day, what makes the rotation of an insignificant planet in the Galaxy so important?), it has errors and contradictions. People who wrote the Bible wrote it with their limited understanding, you would not expect someone from the time of Moses to use terms of Quantum Mechanics, they would have to use mystical terms.

认为圣经不是字面上的意思，某些教派会认为你是异端的

I have said again and again I have no interest discussing religious difference with you. So let's put it this way, to understand something doesn't mean you must agree with ot. It is like I do not agree with your attitude to a lot of things, but I can understand where that attitude come from, and it is especially important to people who want to roleplay, to think and see in different angles. In a D&D setting, Paladin is tied to Theology (which is really the Monotheism Christianity), so I suggest people read more about Theology to better roleplay it.

Read Histories do help, but it doesn't solve the problem we are discussing.

很可惜除了3版外的PAL都没这种纠结，大概未来的5版也不会有

[Leaf]

没必要和leaf这种人讨论宗教，因为他就是喜欢羞辱别人的信仰（或者其他什么好的东西，比如学识和爱好）来获得乐趣，他才不在乎真相是啥。

不过是有一些人知道真相后脑羞而已，例如根据挖坑的成果巴力本来不过是巴比伦神灵的头衔，圣诞节不过是褫夺某些太阳神的节日（冬至，北半球日照从此日起开始变长）之类

真相可能会让人不悦，不过把真相如何扭曲变成各种宗教，那才是有用的（对跑团而言）

以揭露真相为目的和以让人不悦为目的是截然不同的两种人，而我知道你是那种。

所以我应该认为你就是那种所谓的让人不悦的自以为是这样？

[Sigel]

没必要和leaf这种人讨论宗教，因为他就是喜欢羞辱别人的信仰（或者其他什么好的东西，比如学识和爱好）来获得乐趣，他才不在乎真相是啥。

不过是有一些人知道真相后脑羞而已，例如根据挖坑的成果巴力本来不过是巴比伦神灵的头衔，圣诞节不过是褫夺某些太阳神的节日（冬至，北半球日照从此日起开始变长）之类。

真相可能会让人不悦，不过把真相如何扭曲变成各种宗教，那才是有用的（对跑团而言）

Those are what I would tag as pieces of information, and it is not something new really.

Your view on religion is your point of view, as I said, as people who roleplay, you must come to the other side and see, and that is the fun of it, isn't it? Telling people religion is all lie doesn't help them to better understand/roleplay a paladin, or does it? If a DM want to show off this attitude, saying all religion and Gods are power hungry liar and superstition, then of course Paladins are all stupid and joke. But we are not trying to set things that way, or are we?

[Dya]

创作（扮演）需要的东西，有的人有，有的人多的用不完，有的人一辈子也没戏。